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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.06 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Feronia
Originally by: Atima ... my maths show I can pull a 15-25% return on this investment, 15% being a conservative figure.
I guess those numbers came from Xabier too. I'm glad you're revising your profit margin downward to a more realistic number.
Actually depending on Atima's market its still within the realm of possible.
Xabier was actually building caps and delivering, and Atima is following pretty closely to the same business model I handle personally myself. Work in the capital market for a good length of time and you'll start to recognize the players involved.
If you work your tail, its not hard to net close to 25% in the capital market with the right location, sourcing, and selling yourself on contracts. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.06 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Feronia
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria ...and Atima is following pretty closely to the same business model I handle personally myself.
I hope not, if you spend most of the investor's money on extra capital BPO's and have not figured out you also need extra money to buy the build materials needed, your maths are wrong and your business plan has plenty of holes.
The fact you need to invest personal money, and even take an extra loan to keep the business running should make people worry to say the least.
Depends on which prints, when I say following the same model, what I meant was that the same timeline more or less in how I built up my capital program and the same expansion style.
I wasn't using public funding though, so I can see where an investor would get shifty.
If the items being built are well, the region being sold well, and sourcing materials is being handled then I would have no worries. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.07 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Choke Hold So how will the disbanding of BoB benifit your business?
Pure speculation; it's possible that demand for capital ships will pick up slightly as a result of people fighting over suddenly vulnerable former BoB space.
Its a definite at this point.
Obviously I cannot name names, but I've just received a contract request for increased production. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Securing debt in order to get out of debt is a terrible strategy and I hope not one you attempt to take.
Depends on what the debt is used for, in this instance extra prints to increase productivity would be a good debt (depending on amount, actual production capacity, and a whole host of other factors)
I don't think the amount is all that terrible either, and at this point Atima is left with two choices. Deviate slightly from the original plan, take on a little more debt to ensure the original plan works (due to the falling out with Xabier) or take on no more debt and make the current offering slightly more insecure by by selling off secured assets.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Take this advice with a grain of salt though, not an investor just another capital producer. Usually ff your production is at 60%, it's better to raise your production to 100% instead of slashing that extra 40 if the means to do so is there. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
At what point would you consider acceptable age to throw 60b at?
Its thread jacking but really there is no set time, its all up to how investors respond more or less.
Personally speaking, unless you have a proven track of success I won't throw anything at anyone asking more than 10b |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Atima The dividends are due and always have been on the last day of the month. Last months dividends were paid early so i could get going with the expansion.
I fail to see how I have provided a bad experience for my investors Cosmoray. I have always been upfront about any issues i have had and dealt with them accordingly.
A lot of us are edgy here lately Atima, you'll have to forgive us |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Atima The thing is I am working hard, paying dividends on time and providing a commentary on the procedure of the business. Yet people are complaining I am not working hard enough. Please feel free to expand upon which areas I have made this a bad investment? I will do my best to fulfill the investors request.
However please take into consideration that I do not take a managment fee from this investment yet still dedicate most of my eve time to it. I do this because I enjoy doing it and I don't believe I am doing a bad job at all.
When your done running this program Atima, how about we talk and fix that problem |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Atima
I have no intention of scamming and would value my reputation much higher than 15bn. Infact I have 6bn of my own isk currently within the corperation that I receive no dividends for, Kazuo can also confirm this.
I know this, was just just pointing out perspective.
And the offer stands when your ready, you got a lotta potential here to make a decent mint for yourself.
So lets talk when your done |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:11:00 -
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Atima, get with me in game please.
We do almost the exact same style of business and I'd like to offer some pointers on how to tighten up your margins. Even to the point of finding out who/what/where our clients are so maybe we can no accidentally compete against each other. |
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